Talk:The Last Waltz

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Former good articleThe Last Waltz was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Yes, Bob Dylan is in the movie[edit]

call me insane...but wasnt bob dylan in that movie?

Yes, Bob Dylan was in that movie. --Fred Bradstadt 08:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, really? The section about "Dylan's refusal" doesn't make it clear that he ultimately agreed to be filmed. Pimlottc
Well, by the time the reader gets to that section, they've hopefully already read the introduction and the section about film and concert that say Dylan appeared. However, just to make it crystal clear, some more detail that explains this has been included in the Dylan's refusal section. It was all backstage drama. — WiseKwai 15:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Expansion of the concert section, artist listing[edit]

This article is starting to become lengthy, but I'm wondering about a couple of things:

  1. Should the song listing be changed or expanded, or possibly converted to chart format, which would more accurately reflect the concert performances vs the film performances?
  2. Should there also be a complete listing of all the artists involved? — WiseKwai 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, someone ought to cite that cocaine nose thing. It's got the ring of urban legend to me, not to mention tastelessness.

2005 DVD release[edit]

Here's some information left by User: about the 2005 re-release. I moved it here because I'm not convinced the details are vital to the article:

... though the disc art itself was different; on the original was a crowd photo, which is also used on the front cover; the re-issue features the 1952 Fender Telecaster used in the programme's logo. Although stripped of these extras, Sony still markets this re-issue as a "Special Edition."
The easiest way to tell at a glance if a given copy - sans outer foil sleeve - is the original or re-issue, is to examine the lettering on the front cover. The original featured the words "SPECIAL EDITION" in gold colour faux raised-relief at the top of the cover, with the MGM logo in-between the words. The re-issue has the words in white colour at the top, with the MGM logo (and "The Martin Scorsese Film Collection" moniker directly underneath) in the upper left-hand corner. The review blurb "The Finest of All Rock Movies!" at the bottom of the cover also mirrors these criteria (sans logo) for both versions.— WiseKwai 20:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GA nomination[edit]

I have passed this article as a Good Article according to the GA Criteria. Congratulations to the lead editors, and keep up the excellent work! Regards, Anthonycfc [TC] 23:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why the hell did you do that? This has to be one of the worst articles I've read on Wikipedia. There are entire sections that do not mention a single source. If there's a section for piss poor articles this certainly belongs there. BillyJack193 (talk) 13:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Can somebody please correct the last reference, I don't know how to do it. It's not that important but it's my name and it's misspelled. It should be Warschawski:

Corrected ^ a b Katz, John; Warschawski, Dror. The 4 audio versions of The Last Waltz. Retrieved on 2007-01-07.

Thank you...

Dror WARSCHAWSKI —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Fixed! Thanks for your contribution. It's a great reference. — WiseKwai 14:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error in Quoted Lyrics[edit]

I believe the lyric in "Up on Cripple Creek" is actually "this living OFF of the road is getting pretty old". The point being that the protaganist in the song feels its past time to get back ON the road and go see his "big mama". So the lyric actually doesnt support the point asserted in the article (that the featured song and lyric echos Robertson's desire expressed in the interview that he wants get off the road....)....

Also the Dylan section needs to be further clarified and expanded to describe Dylan's spur of the moment onstage decision to play "Follow you Down" a second time so it would be filmed (his people had prevously agreed to allow 2 songs to be filmed - "Forever Young" and "I Shall be released"), so people panicked when after the cameras started rolling and got "Forever Young", Dylan rolled back into a second performance of "Follow you Down"... This is basic Last Waltz trivia stuff guys... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hplovecraft (talkcontribs) 22:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neil Diamond[edit]

Please cite some sources for the other artists criticisms of Neil Diamond. It seems to me that you're just wanting to bash Neil. Back in 1976, he was actually one of the top singer-songwriters. His career went downhill immensly beginning in 1978 and he has just now began making good music again in 2005. But all of that's beside the point. There is absolutely no reason to bash a singer-songwriter who (at the time of this concert) was making good music. Cite your sources please.BillyJack193 (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:The Last Waltz/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles' Project quality task force, all old good articles are being re-reviewed to ensure that they meet current good article criteria (as detailed at WP:WIAGA.) I have determined that this article needs a large amount of work to meet current criteria:

  • The lead needs to be fleshed out more. Reception is barely touched on (WP:LEAD)
  • Large swaths of the article are unsourced, in addition to the [citation needed] tags spread about. You could make the argument the plot synopsis doesn't need to be sourced, but considering it's a concert it shouldn't be that hard to verify most of it.
  • There are many one or two sentence groupings that are not actually paragraphs (they need three or more sentences.) These need to be cut, fleshed out, or merged together.
  • The reception section could be larger and needs its phrasing converted to past tense. Using Rotten Tomatoes for rankings is disingenuous considering it did not exist during the concert, and so is most likely skewed to more recent reviews. Why is Helm's (unverified) claims given its own section and undue weight?
  • Excessive use of non-free images throughout in violation of WP:NFCC. File:RichardManuelLastWaltz.jpg, File:LastWaltzGalleryShot.jpg, File:Levonhelmlastwaltzscreenshot.jpg, File:LastWaltzMoviePoster.jpg, File:Garthhudsonlastwaltzscreens.jpg and File:Rickdankolastwaltzstill.jpg, despite the claims to the contrary, could easily be replaced with free images of the band members from another night or even from the concert (given that there's a free image in the infobox, it's clear photos were taken.)

Given the size of the above issues, I am boldly delisting the article. It can be renominated at any time, but in its present condition it would most likely be quick-failed, so I suggest improvement first. If you have any questions or comments, take them to my talk page; I don't watchlist old reviews. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Greensleeves: live or studio?[edit]

The article indicates that "Greensleeves" was a studio recording, as per Dror Warschawski and Jonathan Katz[1], but Luigi Cesari's sessionography[2], also hosted on the semi-official, lists the track under "LIVE - Winterland Arena, San Francisco, CA, 25 November 1976" and not under "STUDIO - MGM Studios, Culver City, Shangri-La Studios, Malibu, Village Recorder, Los Angeles, April-May 1977." Also, there's audience chatter behind it. Anyone have a tie-breaking source? Also, was Theme from the Last Waltz played at the concert?
Ulmanor (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The crowd clearly applauds in response to Hudson finishing, so I'm moving the track to "live", as it's also denoted as such in the Cesari sessionography.
Ulmanor (talk) 06:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lowercasing of definite article in band names[edit]

Thought I'd drop a note here to explain why I made this change, which seems to run counter to a number of Wikipedia articles in addition to this one. My changes conform to Wikipedia's Manual of Style/Music for definite article usage in names and to convention--e.g., The Chicago Manual of Style. Urgos (talk) 03:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Performances Section: Old-Time Religion[edit]

The list of songs in the movie does not include "Old-Time Religion" which, while not performed on stage, is included in the movie performed by Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, and Richard Manuel between "The Weight" and "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". I do not feel comfortable making this update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesMichaelFord (talkcontribs) 05:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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